Comments on: Informal Learning Dustup http://blog.simslearningconnections.com/?p=46 Living at the intersection of People, Technology, and Content -- with a passion for Knowledge and Learning Tue, 22 Jun 2010 10:55:25 -0700 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Ray Sims http://blog.simslearningconnections.com/?p=46&cpage=1#comment-15 Ray Sims Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:28:15 +0000 http://blog.simslearningconnections.com/?p=46#comment-15 Hi Brent, I'm granting trust to Bill based on my glance through his blog that I've (we've) not been duped into some sort of publicity game. No such intent on my part either, beyond drawing further attention to a seemingly thoughtful contrarian view. I believe in the value of such contrarian voices to modulate and aid my own understanding and point of view. I wouldn't (and didn't) personally use "rehash" in reference to Jay's work, rather only that the ideas in the book were familiar to my prior experience outside of a traditional training organization. This is partly a challenge of the bound book...almost by definition not new by the time it is published. Ray Hi Brent,

I’m granting trust to Bill based on my glance through his blog that I’ve (we’ve) not been duped into some sort of publicity game. No such intent on my part either, beyond drawing further attention to a seemingly thoughtful contrarian view. I believe in the value of such contrarian voices to modulate and aid my own understanding and point of view.

I wouldn’t (and didn’t) personally use “rehash” in reference to Jay’s work, rather only that the ideas in the book were familiar to my prior experience outside of a traditional training organization. This is partly a challenge of the bound book…almost by definition not new by the time it is published.

Ray

]]> By: Brent Schlenker http://blog.simslearningconnections.com/?p=46&cpage=1#comment-14 Brent Schlenker Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:10:16 +0000 http://blog.simslearningconnections.com/?p=46#comment-14 Hi [Ray]! I think the interesting thing here is that we're really having a conversation about having conversations as a form of learning. I must admit, sorry Jay, that I have not yet read the book. However, I have been following Jay's blog for quite some time and assume that the book is similar in content, idea, and thought. And, quite frankly, I don't see anything in Jay's blog as a rehash of old theories. Nor do I think its snake oil either. There is ZERO evidence that supports "formal Learning" as we know it today...classroom...drill and practice, etc...is the best method for learning. THE ONLY REASON people have survived the experience over the years is because of Informal forms/methods of learning. Its been more of a survival instinct than anything else. I encourage the continued conversation, but can't help but wonder if I've been duped into a scheme of attention seeking by publicly bashing the work of another...a pretty ancient trick of journalists, most commonly found among movie critics. I'll be interested to see how this plays out as well...I'll be looking for the contrarian pattern ;-) Hi [Ray]! I think the interesting thing here is that we’re really having a conversation about having conversations as a form of learning. I must admit, sorry Jay, that I have not yet read the book. However, I have been following Jay’s blog for quite some time and assume that the book is similar in content, idea, and thought.
And, quite frankly, I don’t see anything in Jay’s blog as a rehash of old theories. Nor do I think its snake oil either.
There is ZERO evidence that supports “formal Learning” as we know it today…classroom…drill and practice, etc…is the best method for learning. THE ONLY REASON people have survived the experience over the years is because of Informal forms/methods of learning. Its been more of a survival instinct than anything else.

I encourage the continued conversation, but can’t help but wonder if I’ve been duped into a scheme of attention seeking by publicly bashing the work of another…a pretty ancient trick of journalists, most commonly found among movie critics.

I’ll be interested to see how this plays out as well…I’ll be looking for the contrarian pattern ;-)

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